Why? So that you can play a very bad Tactical?

Heavy should absolutely NOT get a melee weapon, what they need is a proper Heavy Stance when aiming with the Heavy Bolt Rifle. Something that increase rate of fire, accuracy, damage, range and penetration WITHOUT "zooming in" (unless you have the scope version of the gun).

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Shotgunky wrote:

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HN971 wrote:

Why? So that you can play a very bad Tactical?

Heavy should absolutely NOT get a melee weapon, what they need is a proper Heavy Stance when aiming with the Heavy Bolt Rifle. Something that increase rate of fire, accuracy, damage, range and penetration WITHOUT "zooming in" (unless you have the scope version of the gun).

Heavy using HBR with no melee option is literally a worse Tactical, that's the entire point.

So... giving it a melee weapon, to LITERALLY make it like a tactical (but without all the perks that actually make the gun work for a tactical) is your solution?

My guy, the problem of that weapon on Heavy isn't that it plays not enough like a tactical, it's that it doesn't play like a heavy enough.

This weapon is the only one that doesn't have any Heavy Stance bonus, which is why it sucks big time.

Just give it a heavy stance, make it so that it become perfectly accurate (literally 0 spray or deviation), make it so that you don't have a zoom (pointless when you are pinpoint accurate), being able to stay aware of your surrounding is more important, and give it a solid Damage, range, penetration and attack speed bonus while on heavy stance.

On top of that, tag on the Multimelta perk a "Reload you Heavy Bolt Rifle when you perform a gunstrike" and suddenly you got a very decent weapon that ACTUALLY play like heavy.

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You are hypothetically creating parameters to a weapon that do not exist for any of Heavy's other base weapons, for the sake of making it play more like a weapon he already has when it's heavily perked out and using damage/spread modifiers -- that being the Heavy Bolter. Again, the heavy weapons do not receive damage bonuses, armor penetration etc. in the base heavy stance, those are perks applied via their trees. The Heavy Bolter cannot have these as perks, and you're brushing over the fact these would have to be innate aspects of the gun. Meaning if the Heavy Bolter innately had e.g. 30%+ more damage, 30% less spread, 30% higher fire rate etc. while in heavy stance, on top of its standard perk tree, all you're doing is still creating a worse Heavy Bolter that has to reload after 50ish shots constantly.

Meanwhile, just giving him an actual melee weapon creates a unique playstyle for the class separate from the Heavy Bolter.

I LOVE how you try to counter me with "no oder weapon get a bonus on heavy stance" (which is literally a lie, all of them get attack speed in heavy stance... EXCEPT the HBR), and your solution to that is to... give it a melee weapon, which is something that no other weapon get....
WTF are you talking about?

You are literally trying to shut down an actually good idea by pretending it would create an exception, when you own awful idea is LITERALLY to create an exception for it.
And again, other weapons have a bonus in heavy stance already, wtf are you on?

Again, if your whole big brain idea is to simply make the heavy a worse tactical by handing him a melee weapon, you have clearly no idea how to design a game and stick to class role and fantasy.

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HN971 wrote:

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Shotgunky wrote:

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HN971 wrote:

Why? So that you can play a very bad Tactical?

Heavy should absolutely NOT get a melee weapon, what they need is a proper Heavy Stance when aiming with the Heavy Bolt Rifle. Something that increase rate of fire, accuracy, damage, range and penetration WITHOUT "zooming in" (unless you have the scope version of the gun).

Heavy using HBR with no melee option is literally a worse Tactical, that's the entire point.

So... giving it a melee weapon, to LITERALLY make it like a tactical (but without all the perks that actually make the gun work for a tactical) is your solution?

My guy, the problem of that weapon on Heavy isn't that it plays not enough like a tactical, it's that it doesn't play like a heavy enough.

This weapon is the only one that doesn't have any Heavy Stance bonus, which is why it sucks big time.

Just give it a heavy stance, make it so that it become perfectly accurate (literally 0 spray or deviation), make it so that you don't have a zoom (pointless when you are pinpoint accurate), being able to stay aware of your surrounding is more important, and give it a solid Damage, range, penetration and attack speed bonus while on heavy stance.

On top of that, tag on the Multimelta perk a "Reload you Heavy Bolt Rifle when you perform a gunstrike" and suddenly you got a very decent weapon that ACTUALLY play like heavy.

Brother you are getting needlessly hostile. If you don't have anything constructive to say, stay silent. You already made it clear you don't like his solution, no need to work yourself up.

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Shining_Darkness wrote:

Brother you are getting needlessly hostile. If you don't have anything constructive to say, stay silent. You already made it clear you don't like his solution, no need to work yourself up.

Brother this is a forum, a place where you are meant to express yourself. If you don't like it, just close your browser and go touch some grass.

It's pretty funny that you try to pull a "if you don't have anything constructive to say" in response to a post that literally had only constructive things to say on the topic, while typing a response LITERALLY devoid of any constructive things to say.

The idea of giving a melee weapon to heavy to compensate for how bad the HBR is on him is a stupid idea that need to be shut down as it not only don't adress the root of the problem (HBR bad) and goes against what the heavy should be (shot the gun).