To kill or to bring it to executable state? Because if 3 to kill then it would be to good compared to laz sniper. that needs 3 but has less ammo, needs to charge.

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a_user wrote:

To kill or to bring it to executable state? Because if 3 to kill then it would be to good compared to laz sniper. that needs 3 but has less ammo, needs to charge.

To kill

then whats the point? laz sniper becomes significant inferior in almost every way. It can clear clustered minors better.... great.

I prefer playing with the bolt sniper and i would feel awsome with more damage but objectively, that would make it too strong.

Bolt snipers went from 9 damage to 9.9, which is still way off of lasfusil's 14. Also it still has a headshot rating of 2, compared to lasfusil's 2.5.

So, it's still trash that's directly inferior to the las in every way besides not firing immediately. It should do less damage but do more damage with headshots, or something of that nature. Which is a rumor people sometimes spread that isn't actually true.

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PlagueOfGripes wrote:

Bolt snipers went from 9 damage to 9.9, which is still way off of lasfusil's 14. Also it still has a headshot rating of 2, compared to lasfusil's 2.5.

So, it's still trash that's directly inferior to the las in every way besides not firing immediately. It should do less damage but do more damage with headshots, or something of that nature. Which is a rumor people sometimes spread that isn't actually true.

That is totally irrelvant. You need 4 shots with bolt sniper which you can fire faster than the 3 shots with the laz sniper to kill. Also, they are easier to hit with because no charging even though the laz sniper has a wide beam.

Also, the damage numbers shown are not comparable across weapons.

For terminus opponents the demage might be important as you cannot kill them in 3 to 4 shots. You need a lot of shots so demage delta adds up. But we do not know the difference.

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a_user wrote:

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PlagueOfGripes wrote:

Bolt snipers went from 9 damage to 9.9, which is still way off of lasfusil's 14. Also it still has a headshot rating of 2, compared to lasfusil's 2.5.

So, it's still trash that's directly inferior to the las in every way besides not firing immediately. It should do less damage but do more damage with headshots, or something of that nature. Which is a rumor people sometimes spread that isn't actually true.

That is totally irrelvant. You need 4 shots with bolt sniper which you can fire faster than the 3 shots with the laz sniper to kill. Also, they are easier to hit with because no charging even though the laz sniper has a wide beam.

Also, the damage numbers shown are not comparable across weapons.

For terminus opponents the demage might be important as you cannot kill them in 3 to 4 shots. You need a lot of shots so demage delta adds up. But we do not know the difference.

Irrelevant. Having a very slightly faster TTK on a weapon that can so easily miss (with a low max ammo) isn't going to make it comparable. I also find the charge much easier to hit with since you can align it midcharge instead of needing to fight recoil; it's a matter of preference.

If the weapon had a great deal more ammo, I'd be more forgiving of it. But for now you really have to stretch the limits of imagination and rationalization. Which is too bad, because I much prefer the aesthetics of the bolt.

I tested the bolt sniper yesterday.  I don't know the numbers or math behind it but I do know it's still not comparable to the las fusil at all.  The buff was a step in the right direction but not enough imho.

and give us fkin more ammo. constantly having no ammo when you are squishy af isn't fun gameplay.

i can survive greatly while fencing but it takes ages to clear waves of enemies with that bread knife. the block knife is just trash

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L0rd_Zwu wrote:

and give us fkin more ammo. constantly having no ammo when you are squishy af isn't fun gameplay.

i can survive greatly while fencing but it takes ages to clear waves of enemies with that bread knife. the block knife is just trash

i agree with more ammo but squishy as f? Sniper has by far the best survivability in the game. You are basically unkillable with perma invis all the time.

It is the only class i do not need medi on lethal and i run around with <30% hp for damage buf perks.