Vanguard grappling hook rework Both PVE and PVP

Yeah no thanks, Vanguard is fine

If anything reduce the melta stagger ability because that's my biggest gripe right now.

Vanguard is one of the most versatile classes right now in PVE if you know to play him.

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S4V6_ wrote:

Yeah no thanks, Vanguard is fine

If anything reduce the melta stagger ability because that's my biggest gripe right now.

Vanguard is one of the most versatile classes right now in PVE if you know to play him.

Its " fine " only for those seeking to abuse it in PVP .. As for PVE its ok at best and having an extra charge would go a long way but also the ability to grab unto the wall or floor would be also great exept if there is exploits potential if enable .. 

As for PVP when you get grapple it only feel bad there is no counter there is nothing you can do ... I even developped this trick myself in the first day of playing vanguard at pre launch ... When peoples were trying to melee you at least there was a counter you could block roll or block and strike back .. But now everyones are doing the same thing as i was wich is Stunt the guy Unload hip fire carbine into his face the guy has no chance unless his team mates save him ..

Its a terrible mechanics that feel unfair and basically a skilless BS .. there is no skills involved into grappling into a player its easy ... its also easy to unload your carbine into them after you hit the kick there is no skills involved there is NO counters ! Having team mates on any side isnt what makes a broken mechanics balanced or fun ... 

FOr something to be good it need to be fun to play with and fun to play against .. Its neither .. its only fun for those seeking to anoye and troll peoples  ! 

Haaving a more responsive grappling the vanguard could use the grappling hook as a " escape and aproach " transportation mean and not as a I WIN button in 1 vs 1 fight you are loosing .. a responsive and faster pace grappling would allow to escape situation instead of " Cheating death " with a insane skilless player stunt 

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Stew360 wrote:

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S4V6_ wrote:

Yeah no thanks, Vanguard is fine

If anything reduce the melta stagger ability because that's my biggest gripe right now.

Vanguard is one of the most versatile classes right now in PVE if you know to play him.

Its " fine " only for those seeking to abuse it in PVP .. As for PVE its ok at best and having an extra charge would go a long way but also the ability to grab unto the wall or floor would be also great exept if there is exploits potential if enable .. 

As for PVP when you get grapple it only feel bad there is no counter there is nothing you can do ... I even developped this trick myself in the first day of playing vanguard at pre launch ... When peoples were trying to melee you at least there was a counter you could block roll or block and strike back .. But now everyones are doing the same thing as i was wich is Stunt the guy Unload hip fire carbine into his face the guy has no chance unless his team mates save him ..

Its a terrible mechanics that feel unfair and basically a skilless BS .. there is no skills involved into grappling into a player its easy ... its also easy to unload your carbine into them after you hit the kick there is no skills involved there is NO counters ! Having team mates on any side isnt what makes a broken mechanics balanced or fun ... 

FOr something to be good it need to be fun to play with and fun to play against .. Its neither .. its only fun for those seeking to anoye and troll peoples  ! 

Haaving a more responsive grappling the vanguard could use the grappling hook as a " escape and aproach " transportation mean and not as a I WIN button in 1 vs 1 fight you are loosing .. a responsive and faster pace grappling would allow to escape situation instead of " Cheating death " with a insane skilless player stunt 

Since you wrote a suggestion for PVE and PVP rework, I am just commenting on the PVE part, because PVP is just not my thing in this game.

As for your last comment: 

Haaving a more responsive grappling the vanguard could use the grappling hook as a " escape and aproach " transportation mean and not as a I WIN button in 1 vs 1 fight you are loosing .. a responsive and faster pace grappling would allow to escape situation instead of " Cheating death " with a insane skilless player stunt 

I assume you are again talking about PVP.

I don't play PVP neither do I intend to in PVE he is exactly that as yourself stated.

I just think that you aren't playing the Vanguard to it's full potential because that is exactly how Vanguard is supposed to be played, very aggressive.

Grapple in, get a couple of shots off and execute the enemy.

In case you ever find yourself in a difficult situation use your grapple to get out of it.

That is basically Vanguard in a nutshell.

It's only been 1 1/2 weeks now, I think we should let people get used to the classes first before we start posting balance changes, that's just my take on it.