Easy to implement rework for PVP ordeals

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Saint_Markus wrote:
You forgot scanning 4 enemies by  one auspex but i agree. I don't enjoy pvp much but i went there to get the ordeals done and it is hard/horrible/frustrating to do it.

I think that my examples also applies to the tactical class, their ordeal could be "scan 4 enemies in a single match OR eliminate [X number] enemies with the tactical class".

 In any case, maybe the worst part about the ordeals is that I think Saber made them to motivate completionists to play the pvp mode for the cosmetics, but that could backfire because playing several games to do a simple ordeal playing with a specific and very restricted style makes pvp games unbearable, more of a frustrating task than a minimally pleasant experience, but when you play pvp calmly, without rushing and without the pressure of doing something very specific and you start to unlock weapons and weapon cosmetics (the same ones you have in pve mode) the pvp mode becomes enjoyable, you can play the way you like and you feel a constant progression regardless of whether you win or lose.

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LionelAusten wrote:

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Saint_Markus wrote:
You forgot scanning 4 enemies by  one auspex but i agree. I don't enjoy pvp much but i went there to get the ordeals done and it is hard/horrible/frustrating to do it.

I think that my examples also applies to the tactical class, their ordeal could be "scan 4 enemies in a single match OR eliminate [X number] enemies with the tactical class".

 In any case, maybe the worst part about the ordeals is that I think Saber made them to motivate completionists to play the pvp mode for the cosmetics, but that could backfire because playing several games to do a simple ordeal playing with a specific and very restricted style makes pvp games unbearable, more of a frustrating task than a minimally pleasant experience, but when you play pvp calmly, without rushing and without the pressure of doing something very specific and you start to unlock weapons and weapon cosmetics (the same ones you have in pve mode) the pvp mode becomes enjoyable, you can play the way you like and you feel a constant progression regardless of whether you win or lose.

Yes. We can say that ordeals in pvp are not made to have fun. They are just based on luck or rare situations. Not all of them but few of them are clearly like that. Good example are the ones that involves grenades. You have to watch, sneak or have luck to threw it right. Same goes with snipers in camo. In many situations you just start to ignore the objective just to do one ordeal or have any progress in it. So a remake would be welcomed by most. PVP and PVE players alike.

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Saint_Markus wrote:  Yes. We can say that ordeals in pvp are not made to have fun. They are just based on luck or rare situations. Not all of them but few of them are clearly like that. Good example are the ones that involves grenades. You have to watch, sneak or have luck to threw it right. Same goes with snipers in camo. In many situations you just start to ignore the objective just to do one ordeal or have any progress in it. So a remake would be welcomed by most. PVP and PVE players alike.

LionelAusten wrote:

Saint_Markus wrote:
You forgot scanning 4 enemies by  one auspex but i agree. I don't enjoy pvp much but i went there to get the ordeals done and it is hard/horrible/frustrating to do it.

I think that my examples also applies to the tactical class, their ordeal could be "scan 4 enemies in a single match OR eliminate [X number] enemies with the tactical class".

 In any case, maybe the worst part about the ordeals is that I think Saber made them to motivate completionists to play the pvp mode for the cosmetics, but that could backfire because playing several games to do a simple ordeal playing with a specific and very restricted style makes pvp games unbearable, more of a frustrating task than a minimally pleasant experience, but when you play pvp calmly, without rushing and without the pressure of doing something very specific and you start to unlock weapons and weapon cosmetics (the same ones you have in pve mode) the pvp mode becomes enjoyable, you can play the way you like and you feel a constant progression regardless of whether you win or lose.

Yeah, the ordeals should motivate players to play better or to invest more time in pvp mode to improve in their abilities in that area, but as you say the class-related and the grenades one only rewards sporadic actions based on pure luck and sometimes even counterintuitive strategies. The ordeals that reward you for winning x number of matches and playing x number of gamemodes are fine, as is getting to eliminate up to 20 enemies in a single match and getting a ranch of 5 eliminations without dying, they all motivate you to play well, to survive as long as you can, help your team win and be competitive.

 I have heard the suggestion to make doable the ordeals in private PVP lobbies, and while that would help it would be contradictory to its purpose, so while I wouldn't complain if Saber did that (that they were possible in private PVP) this second option of adding a second cumulative condition to the ordeals seems like a much better solution to me, and it also doesn't discredit the players who already managed to complete them in the original way, since the others will have to grind for a while longer than them.