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a day ago
Mar 13, 2025, 4:52:52 PM

Just for context, it was confirmed by Mzulft on Discord that the perks on each class are going to reset along with the level when you prestige.

I genuinely think it's a very archaic approach. I understand that it's additional grind for people that want to grind, but it doesn't seem to be the right way to go about this in 2025.

I'd like to discuss some cons and pros for it.

Pros: 

  • More grind makes some people more involved
  • Having to unlock all the skills again gives some "sense of progression"
  • Potentially populating lower difficulties, since perks on each class are back to 0

Cons:

  • Having to unlock things you've previously unlocked may feel like a chore
  • Playing lower difficulties with all the acquired gamesense and skill will certainly feel like a downgrade from gameplay perspective
  • If the players end up playing on lower difficulties after prestiging, the grind will become slower, due to lower exp gains


I'd like to preface this by saying that I don't mind more grind, and I'd be glad to prestige all of my classes when I get to it, since my main incentive are the rewards (both cosmetic rewards and perks) that you will get from doing so.


But resetting the perks on prestige will considerably drop your power level (much more for some classes than the others),​ making it less plausible to keep playing the game on Lethal/Absolute.

Difficulties lower than Ruthless probably won't be impacted by this, as people will keep playing whatever difficulty they can consistently clear while getting the most exp. And since their weapons also remain untouched on prestige, it will probably be Ruthless+. With maxed out weapons, pretty much anything lower than Ruthless is going to be a walk in the park, especially for people that played long enough, so they might not even go there.


So what's the point of resetting perks, really, outside of just making it more of a hassle for the player?


In contrast, prestige systems in games like Deep Rock Galactic allow you to​ keep all your progress, without resetting anything besides the level, since the players are already incentivized to keep grinding by the rewards.


Instead of doing this, maybe consider implementing a resource sink for requisition/armory data, with each prestige level requiring more of these resources. Anything would be better than resetting the perks, since doing so simply takes away player agency.

Please, consider this approach rather than just taking away things that were already previously unlocked. Cheers.

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a day ago
Mar 13, 2025, 5:19:59 PM

This is the type of info players need to give good feedback 

Reset to level 1 on prestige level is a huge mistake and people will hate it. 


I don't think it will get more people to play lower difficulties. Would it not be better to use the quick match button to give xp based on level and then make it random on what difficulty match you get. I think people would be much more open to some thing like that. Down side would be it may feel crappy as a new player when high level players are in those matches.

  

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a day ago
Mar 13, 2025, 5:25:59 PM

I second this.


I dare even say, its in the great grind that prestige will bring that I intend on trying different builds.


But if I domt have the perks, guess the builds wont be complete... At most I can try some weapon combinations and whatnot...


At the very least, and this is barely helping much... keep the team perks and signature perks unlocked...

Those tend to be good for teambuilding and worth no being a pain for your teammates, as well as more generic and less build centric perks. 


But really... just let us have the perks and have fun...


Last idea, give prestige ranks an innate EXP Boost!

This would reduce the grind pain, IF YOU REALLY REALLY WANT THAT SABER, but exp is not just for the class, is also for weapons, and I feel many weapons can feel weak beause you have to level them up to make them good. But that takes time and you can lose interest half way through.


Ideas Ideas, but we just want the fun!

no need to take our toys away Saber!

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a day ago
Mar 13, 2025, 5:26:32 PM

Skeletalsam wrote:

This is the type of info players need to give good feedback 

Reset to level 1 on prestige level is a huge mistake and people will hate it. 


I don't think it will get more people to play lower difficulties. Would it not be better to use the quick match button to give xp based on level and they make it random on what difficulty match you get. I think people would be much more open to some thing like that. Down side would be it may feel crappy as a new player when high level players are in those matches.

  

Genuinely, the idea behind "prestige" systems in general is to give people that want to keep playing the game more stuff to work for. Or to keep players playing longer to work for said stuff.


I think it's not a bad thing in general, and resetting back to 1 objectively means nothing if you keep your perks, and you can still keep grinding while gaining more rewards, on whatever difficulty you'd like to.

But lowering the powerlevel means those difficulties, the ones you previously worked to get into, may become impossible for you again. And that's not fun at all, imo.


DRG really approached the progression in a beautiful manner in this regard.

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a day ago
Mar 13, 2025, 5:39:59 PM

I agree. Resetting perks for EACH prestige level is anti-fun, especially considering having to do it for each of the SIX classes.

My suggestion: Each of the first three prestige perks requires an amount of experience equal to 25 character level, without resetting the usual perks. But the last prestige perk requires a complete reset to make it a kind of final challenge - also, you could add some additional achievement on Steam, for those who like such things.

In sum, it would even be fun to re- level up each character once, but no more, please.

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a day ago
Mar 13, 2025, 5:53:27 PM

It all depends on the reset is it just reset to level 1 and you lose all class perks? If it resets weapons too that is pretty huge

I have already reset perks on 1 class and I am now level 1 and I sure am not going to level it to 25 to test the 1 perk I think will be broken over powered I hope that is changed in the PTS so we can test more.

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a day ago
Mar 13, 2025, 6:54:42 PM
Prestiging back to level 1 would give me reason to play Absolute, as I can get more XP from it besides just being a fun gamemode. But now I can't because I'll lose the class defining perks, I hope they change this.

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a day ago
Mar 13, 2025, 7:22:32 PM
HoruSOW wrote:
Prestiging back to level 1 would give me reason to play Absolute, as I can get more XP from it besides just being a fun gamemode. But now I can't because I'll lose the class defining perks, I hope they change this.
Exactly this 😫
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a day ago
Mar 13, 2025, 7:54:54 PM

Listen, i played this game for 300 hours without a prestige system and i really dont need a kick in the sack to play more of it - you already gave me content to grind for. If it takes me, say, 10 hours to max out prestige for a class, does it really matter if i spend those 10 hours gimped or not? I'm still gonna play it but in one case im just much less likely to spend that time doing things i want on the difficulty i want. And i dont even want to think about people playing on and off every other day or so that finally might have maxed all their classes only to go back to level 0 again lol.

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a day ago
Mar 13, 2025, 8:51:57 PM

Reset to 1lvl when change/reset prestige perks? Seriously? What if I want to have different prestige perks for different weapons? Or for different teams? Changed the review in steam to negative, deleted PTS and the game itself from the device. My warm greetings to the designer who came up with this.

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a day ago
Mar 13, 2025, 9:20:56 PM

HomerJay wrote:

I don't want to grind all levels again!!!!

This is insane!

For all classes brother. For all classes!

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a day ago
Mar 13, 2025, 9:28:13 PM

I just learned that prestiging classes works the exact same way in WWZ, with prestige perks unlocking for multiple times you prestige, so we probably won't see this changed. Really unfortunate, because I sure as heck won't be unlocking the perks I've previously unlocked, for each class, multiple times.


I've played enough games with this archaic approach to know for a fact that I don't want to waste my time doing absolutely useless stuff to have my brain tricked into feeling like I'm progressing anywhere. I would've liked to keep playing games at the difficulties I want, but a system like this simply won't allow this. A real shame.

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a day ago
Mar 13, 2025, 9:45:08 PM

I really like to grind in this game, because I really like the gameplay. I got all the weapons maxed out, all the PvE ordeals and all the achievements, but even I would not like to grind at low difficulties with all my fun perks removed just to get some mediocre perks. Furthermore, I do not understand why I would need them. Absolute is absolutely doable and fun with the current perks, so why would I spend time with grinding that gets me nowhere. I think the game is the most fun at a higher difficulty, so kind of forcing players to play on lower difficulties really sucks.

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a day ago
Mar 13, 2025, 10:28:07 PM

hipsterhead_91 wrote:

I agree. Resetting perks for EACH prestige level is anti-fun, especially considering having to do it for each of the SIX classes.

My suggestion: Each of the first three prestige perks requires an amount of experience equal to 25 character level, without resetting the usual perks. But the last prestige perk requires a complete reset to make it a kind of final challenge - also, you could add some additional achievement on Steam, for those who like such things.

In sum, it would even be fun to re- level up each character once, but no more, please.

Hm, this could be an interesting middle ground.

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a day ago
Mar 13, 2025, 11:30:24 PM

Agreed, the XP grind is gonna be a massive chore if nothing is done to change it 


Maybe a system where we pay requisition points and armoury data to unlock the slots and then we grind to unlock each perk?

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a day ago
Mar 13, 2025, 11:47:58 PM

ReloadedGorb wrote:

Agreed, the XP grind is gonna be a massive chore if nothing is done to change it 


Maybe a system where we pay requisition points and armoury data to unlock the slots and then we grind to unlock each perk?

The grind itself is fine, imo. It's a long-term progression thing for people that want to play the game for that long, I am completely fine with it.

But making this grind a hassle by not letting us use our full builds is a very different kind of annoyance. Like MrFreakno in here previously mentioned, I too would've loved to keep playing the game at higher difficulties, but not having all perks to make builds to do so just doesn't feel good. And if prestige is implemented the way it is, you will never have a time where you can play around with all your perks unlocked, since you'll be stuck in a loop prestiging things all the time until you unlock everything.

It'll be an actual chore this way.


I just wanna play the game the way I want while grinding exp, and I assume a lot of other folks do too.

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a day ago
Mar 14, 2025, 12:00:55 AM

Voghelm wrote:

ReloadedGorb wrote:

Agreed, the XP grind is gonna be a massive chore if nothing is done to change it 


Maybe a system where we pay requisition points and armoury data to unlock the slots and then we grind to unlock each perk?

The grind itself is fine, imo. It's a long-term progression thing for people that want to play the game for that long, I am completely fine with it.

But making this grind a hassle by not letting us use our full builds is a very different kind of annoyance. Like MrFreakno in here previously mentioned, I too would've loved to keep playing the game at higher difficulties, but not having all perks to make builds to do so just doesn't feel good. And if prestige is implemented the way it is, you will never have a time where you can play around with all your perks unlocked, since you'll be stuck in a loop prestiging things all the time until you unlock everything.

It'll be an actual chore this way.


I just wanna play the game the way I want while grinding exp, and I assume a lot of other folks do too.

Yeah that's what i'm trying to say, havibg to re-level every single class from scratch along with having perks reset feels more like it'll dissuade folks from actually grabbing the prestige perks than encouraging them to grind

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a day ago
Mar 14, 2025, 12:37:01 AM

Oh so that's why both heavy and bulwark went back to 1 lol. I thought that was a bug.

Yeah no please do not do this. It's absolutely a terrible idea. The amount of times I've switched perks around to try different builds and weapons and combos is insane and given that prestige perks are not so terribly different in that regard, it'll make things terrible.

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a day ago
Mar 14, 2025, 12:46:25 AM

As someone who has put in over 300 hours in this game, for heavens sake let me play with my fully maxed character while grinding the prestige...

Like you are literally asking us to play/grind being pissed off at our lack of power in game. 


Remember what you told us all those months ago - "this is the fans game, not the Devs"....


Well listen to your fans now. It's overwhelmingly a poor decision to reset.

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