Is the wep option a problem? yes. Does it need a nerf to the ground to make the rest of the mode playable? yes.

Gl is fine.. Its the rest of the weapons which are just bad by comparison
Stop thinking nerfs are needed - 
Buff the bolt weapons.

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Raffafa wrote:

Is the wep option a problem? yes. Does it need a nerf to the ground to make the rest of the mode playable? yes.

But any situation where you alter or give it the ability to be re supplied, will not solve the problem, it needs a huge flat nerf to the point where it has nearly 0 damage but a crap ton of stagger. (like 10% dmg and 90% stagger, idea would be that they work like the melta; low damage, large pushback effect)
I doubt many are like me and ignore the bolter for how stupid OP it is, just to play with the plasma. Is it broken to have infinite supply of plasma ammo using emperor perk as it has no magazine?, yes, but atleast on that weapon you have to use two full charge-ups to kill a majoris, so it is a bit more fair for the rest of the group.

I think you're just having a knee jerk reaction to this issue as your statements don't really show any level of consideration has been taken. Firstly, any ability to refill the grenade launcher would not solve the problem is obviously untrue. If the weapon only got refilled once every 20 minutes there would be no issue so your statement is obviously asinine. Secondly, the idea to make it do less only 10% damage and thus less than a bolt pistol is capable of makes absolutely no sense in game or in lore and is so monumentally over the top that I've never heard of anyone call for such a thing. 

It's these kinds of statements that don't help the devs come to a proper fair solution that retains the weapon as something fun for players to use.

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PeekabooEU wrote:

Gl is fine.. Its the rest of the weapons which are just bad by comparison
Stop thinking nerfs are needed - 
Buff the bolt weapons.

The issue with the grenade launcher is it trivialities even lethal difficulty and makes the game far too easy. You have literally suggested making every weapon trivialize the game which would makes it utterly boring. Even by your own words you think every weapon by comparison is just bad, so do you think it's likely this one weapon is the issue, or that every other weapon in the game has an issue? Some people actually want a challenge in this game, if you don't, then stick to lower difficulties, but don't suggest ruining the game for everyone else because you want the game to have the challenge level of beating a 6 year old cripple in a full contact MMA match.

If they limited the grenades to 4, upped the damage very slightly to compensate and, most importantly, removed the ability for it to replenish ammo through perks, then I think things would be more reasonable than they are now.

I unloaded 5 rounds into a Majoris and only got it into an executable state.... it's most definitely not overpowered....

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AlphaOmegaMan wrote:

If they limited the grenades to 4, upped the damage very slightly to compensate and, most importantly, removed the ability for it to replenish ammo through perks, then I think things would be more reasonable than they are now.

if you could only get 4 grenades back from an ammo drop and no perks would work on it, the weapon would be garbage. Your suggestion largely defeats the purpose of having the weapon have magazines for the grenades if the perk didn't even work on it.

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ChickenTsunami wrote:

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AlphaOmegaMan wrote:

If they limited the grenades to 4, upped the damage very slightly to compensate and, most importantly, removed the ability for it to replenish ammo through perks, then I think things would be more reasonable than they are now.

if you could only get 4 grenades back from an ammo drop and no perks would work on it, the weapon would be garbage. Your suggestion largely defeats the purpose of having the weapon have magazines for the grenades if the perk didn't even work on it.

Not really. You'd essentially have 4 direct impact grenades on top of the regular 2 or 3 grenades. That's plenty impactful. I'd maybe restore the ability to refill at ammo crates as well but either way, it's not like it'd be inert. You just wouldn't be able to spam them all the time all willy nilly like you can now.

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ChickenTsunami wrote:

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AlphaOmegaMan wrote:

If they limited the grenades to 4, upped the damage very slightly to compensate and, most importantly, removed the ability for it to replenish ammo through perks, then I think things would be more reasonable than they are now.

if you could only get 4 grenades back from an ammo drop and no perks would work on it, the weapon would be garbage. Your suggestion largely defeats the purpose of having the weapon have magazines for the grenades if the perk didn't even work on it.

Not really. You'd essentially have 4 direct impact grenades on top of the regular 2 or 3 grenades. That's plenty impactful. I'd maybe restore the ability to refill at ammo crates as well but either way, it's not like it'd be inert. You just wouldn't be able to spam them all the time all willy nilly like you can now.

I disagree with your solution but I do see your point and understand your thought process, so on that we are on the same page. I think the weapon would be very low tier with that setup, similar to other bolters. Players hate nerfs so I think most players who use the weapon would dislike that change a lot. I was trying to keep the weapon as a top tier one that players would still enjoy using without it being in it's own tier and trivializing lethal difficulty if you're half decent with it. 

I mean I think we all recognize the fact that it's currently pretty significantly OP. It is also true that other weapons are underpowered and still need further baseline buffs. I think making it a slightly weaker bolter variant that instead of giving you powerful primary rounds gives you serviceable primary rounds with the option of additional grenades for greater crowd control or directed damage would make it more or less balanced, obviously pending some internal testing. I think it makes sense as a direction to take it. It's not really nerfing the ability itself, it's just reducing the amount of times you can use it, which I don't imagine would be all too controversial if; A - other weapons were buffed to reasonable levels and B - it's readily apparent to most people that the current iteration of the UGL bolter is noticeably OP.

I could be wrong, but I suppose we'll just have to wait and see.

As a GL enjoyer myself. Admittedly it does need some sort of nerf. 11-14 nades is at first absurd to fit on such a tiny launcher (unless you add a reload mechanic to it). Your proposition of separating the nades into magazines seems fair. Also adding maybe a 1-2 second cooldown between launches would be reasonable too as that would simulate the time the launcher spins to prime the next grenade. 

I don't agree with your claim that it makes it into a walking simulator though. I've had plenty of GL tacs in pub games get swarmed and KOed because they were too trigger-happy with firing their nades. I guess it would be a different scenario on pre-made teams with coms.

On the contrary, GL doesn't need nerf, because let's face it, you're not going to kill that much even with 6 grenades, plus it's mounted on a bolt gun which isn't really all the powerful, we need all the advantage we can get. I honestly don't feel all that powerful with it and when I have 6 or more warriors charging me, it doesn't really stop them as easily as everyone thinks.

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CzechKnight wrote:

On the contrary, GL doesn't need nerf, because let's face it, you're not going to kill that much even with 6 grenades, plus it's mounted on a bolt gun which isn't really all the powerful, we need all the advantage we can get. I honestly don't feel all that powerful with it and when I have 6 or more warriors charging me, it doesn't really stop them as easily as everyone thinks.

I think if you get more experience with the weapon you'll change your mind. It's by far the easiest setup I've found at clearing Lethal solo. In a group with friend we all agree it's boring for everyone else if you're good with it. 11 grenades kills almost 4 packs of elites and then you simply replenish them every 30 seconds. Add to that it's on one of the better boltguns as well and the weapon is a tier above anything else on the tactical marine.

I don’t know what’s your problem with wanting everything to be nerfed and normalized.

If this game is too easy for you, play something else.

If the weapon and game mode are too easy for you, solo everything with level 1 weapon on map 4 lethal.

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wfdazhe1 wrote:

I don’t know what’s your problem with wanting everything to be nerfed and normalized.

If this game is too easy for you, play something else.

If the weapon and game mode are too easy for you, solo everything with level 1 weapon on map 4 lethal.

This is such a lazy response. By your metrics why not just have guns one hit kill every enemy and and then if we don't like it or find it to easy we can just "go play something else" if balance and challenge doesn't matter? 

If you're not going to contribute anything constructive or of value, why even bother posting? I think clemsat summed it up well in his response to you. 

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ChickenTsunami wrote:

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CzechKnight wrote:

On the contrary, GL doesn't need nerf, because let's face it, you're not going to kill that much even with 6 grenades, plus it's mounted on a bolt gun which isn't really all the powerful, we need all the advantage we can get. I honestly don't feel all that powerful with it and when I have 6 or more warriors charging me, it doesn't really stop them as easily as everyone thinks.

I think if you get more experience with the weapon you'll change your mind. It's by far the easiest setup I've found at clearing Lethal solo. In a group with friend we all agree it's boring for everyone else if you're good with it. 11 grenades kills almost 4 packs of elites and then you simply replenish them every 30 seconds. Add to that it's on one of the better boltguns as well and the weapon is a tier above anything else on the tactical marine.

What 11 grenades? The limit is 6.

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CzechKnight wrote:
What 11 grenades? The limit is 6.

It goes up to 11 with a Relic Weapon and getting the magazine perks for the bolt rifle.

ChickenTsunami wrote:
In a group with friend we all agree it's boring for everyone else if you're good with it.

Of course it would be boring you're playing with a group, It's way different on pub games when you don't have friends where player skill is on a much broader spectrum. But you could easily just as well just not use it or just nerf yourself by launching 4 at a time to simulate your proposed changes and let us know if it does indeed feel more fair with that handicap.