That would be a dream come true.

Dont know about nerfing, but they can make people really helpless. A swarm of spores coming unannounced can wreck the most perfect of runs. Having a audio notice like an auspex scan/siren blare/whatever can do much, because they are considered minoris.

The same goes for zoanthropes, they really absorb too much ammo, even if you know you need to target the one without the shield: players should have a tool/chance to face them some other way -like if you bash the one without a shield for long enough neither get a shield for some time so you can spread the damage. If you have a weapon correctly scaled for the difficulty, only snipers and heavies have weapons and skills enough to solo them -maybe you have team mates down, maybe you are getting swarmed and need to share your attention.

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maffaxxx wrote:

Dont know about nerfing, but they can make people really helpless. A swarm of spores coming unannounced can wreck the most perfect of runs. Having a audio notice like an auspex scan/siren blare/whatever can do much, because they are considered minoris.

The same goes for zoanthropes, they really absorb too much ammo, even if you know you need to target the one without the shield: players should have a tool/chance to face them some other way -like if you bash the one without a shield for long enough neither get a shield for some time so you can spread the damage.

As someone who gets bothered by bad physics, such as armour or chitin piercing explosive or corrosive rounds that are not anatomically disastrous with little chance of survival ~ I obviously agree with you somewhat, and think it more realistic that when an unshielded Zoanthrope is hit ~ it's ability to generate it's partner's shield diminishes along with it's health, and as such an increasingly larger percentage of rounds are able to penetrate the shield and body of the other Zoanthrope.

For each action there is an equal and opposite reaction, and all that.

So the one generating the shield can't attack? I forgot, but that should be a thing. Only the one not generating the shield should be able to attack to make it logical and fair.

OMG, get gud!

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CzechKnight wrote:

So the one generating the shield can't attack? I forgot, but that should be a thing. Only the one not generating the shield should be able to attack to make it logical and fair.

No both can, but their thing is one generates a shield for the other one which usually takes the fore against their preferred target. Which also poses the issue that You might be positioned so that you cannot see/target the one shielding the other, or they start switching so fast you can have problems bouncing retargeting from one to the other and back again (while dodging their attacks, managing the swarm, checking their AoEs on the ground, etc).

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maffaxxx wrote:

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CzechKnight wrote:

So the one generating the shield can't attack? I forgot, but that should be a thing. Only the one not generating the shield should be able to attack to make it logical and fair.

No both can, but their thing is one generates a shield for the other one which usually takes the fore against their preferred target. Which also poses the issue that You might be positioned so that you cannot see/target the one shielding the other, or they start switching so fast you can have problems bouncing retargeting from one to the other and back again (while dodging their attacks, managing the swarm, checking their AoEs on the ground, etc).

I have got firmly in the habit of keeping Krak grenades that stick to hand, as I often forget to use other types of grenade, and playing Tactical class with the grenade launching bolter and Emperors Vengeance plus Aspex Scan just make Zoanthrope pairings suddenly one then none. Playing Sniper with the Las Fusil also makes short work of Zoanthropes ~ especially if you use the stand still and decloak damage multipliers. Heavy class with Plasma Incinerator is another rapid Zoanthrope buster, particularly with the Iron Halo making things much easier in terms of damage prevention as well.

Personally I only really have trouble with Neurothropes, particularly my timing with not being on the ground when those green expanding perimeter fields come past, but they are still defeatable.

The bigger issues with zoanthropes isn't that they are overpowered, especially as some classes make such quick work of them, but it's the inconsistencies in how they operate. The psychic beam going through walls isn't lore accurate, the zonethropes shielding each other when there are multiple walls in between them and finally the shield blocking krak grenade damage that have already been stuck to the zoanthrope and are UNDERNEATH the shield.

Fixing these things would make smart play of using cover and splitting zoanthropes up far more rewarding.

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ChickenTsunami wrote:

The bigger issues with zoanthropes isn't that they are overpowered, especially as some classes make such quick work of them, but it's the inconsistencies in how they operate. The psychic beam going through walls isn't lore accurate, the zonethropes shielding each other when there are multiple walls in between them and finally the shield blocking krak grenade damage that have already been stuck to the zoanthrope and are UNDERNEATH the shield.

Fixing these things would make smart play of using cover and splitting zoanthropes up far more rewarding.

Totally agree. The main areas where all these happens are the platforms leading to the bridge tower, and inside the bridge tower itself in Decapitation. Another place that is really ill fitting to zoanthropes and neurothropes (and, well, carnifexes because theyre too big and get stuck) are tunnel areas because there is no saves from neither beams nor AoEs, there's no way to dodge out of the way. 

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maffaxxx wrote:

Dont know about nerfing, but they can make people really helpless. A swarm of spores coming unannounced can wreck the most perfect of runs. Having a audio notice like an auspex scan/siren blare/whatever can do much, because they are considered minoris.

The same goes for zoanthropes, they really absorb too much ammo, even if you know you need to target the one without the shield: players should have a tool/chance to face them some other way -like if you bash the one without a shield for long enough neither get a shield for some time so you can spread the damage. If you have a weapon correctly scaled for the difficulty, only snipers and heavies have weapons and skills enough to solo them -maybe you have team mates down, maybe you are getting swarmed and need to share your attention.

It's like four shots per Zoan on Sniper. They're trivial.

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JimmyDSpoofy wrote:

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maffaxxx wrote:

Dont know about nerfing, but they can make people really helpless. A swarm of spores coming unannounced can wreck the most perfect of runs. Having a audio notice like an auspex scan/siren blare/whatever can do much, because they are considered minoris.

The same goes for zoanthropes, they really absorb too much ammo, even if you know you need to target the one without the shield: players should have a tool/chance to face them some other way -like if you bash the one without a shield for long enough neither get a shield for some time so you can spread the damage. If you have a weapon correctly scaled for the difficulty, only snipers and heavies have weapons and skills enough to solo them -maybe you have team mates down, maybe you are getting swarmed and need to share your attention.

It's like four shots per Zoan on Sniper. They're trivial.

... what if... bear it with me... what if there's no snipers? or there's a shortage of ammo? You dont have any other way to take them down. They require a specific tool to be taken down easily, then a few more that require more effort, and then the melee classes are simply helpless. It's not a skill issue, they're a situational hazard. if you have the right tool for the job, it's trivial I do agree. What happens if you do not have the tool?

Just think they should not be able to sue the beam attack then follow it up with another beam attack. As has been said many times the effect area of the beam and when exactly you need to dodge it is not clear either. it should probably just not be able to re-aim the beam if you dodge "too early" and that would fix the beam attack. It also does inconsistent damage often multi-hitting you  potentially one-shotting you from armor-boosted armor and full HP on all difficulties.

I don’t post anything online, Zoanthropes made me want to (personally along with the stangerthorn spam).

As a solo player trying to play as Bulwark and Assault, I agree with some of the suggestions I came across share by other players.

- Make it less bullet sponge or let melee class able to deal with them.

- Make the shielded one not able to attack.

- Fix the bug sometimes one of the Zoanthropes is hiding in place that we can’t reach, and continue shielding the other one.

- Reduce the spam of energy ball, this has stunt lock me to death in few occasions. Even the ball from Neurothrope also can stunt lock.

- Go easy with the spore mine, playing on Average and Substantial keep getting screen full of them.

Playing as Bulwark or Assault solo is a nightmare to get Zoanthropes spawn few times in single run, however when playing as Heavy or Sniper, they are so trivial to be dealt with.

Yes krak deal with them easily, but I have been to 3 run back to back without any krak, but with few Zoanthropes spawn. Speaking of krak, when surrounded by minoris, it is almost impossible to aim high and throw the krak, for some reason the krak will just snap back the the minoris rather than the Zoanthropes I aiming at.

Can switch power shields It needs to be nerfed again.Please reduce its firing range.Make a Zoanthropes stun.​