So after Patch 4.1 the difference between Ruthless and Lethal is now:

• No changes to enemy stats
• More extremis enemies can spawn at the same time
  
• Max health is reduced by 20%
• Armour is reduced by 20%
• Time for armour to regen passively after taking damage is doubled
• Ammo Crates have 40% less ammo
• Respawn time is changed from 2 minutes to 5 minutes
• Killing Majors-level or higher enemies decrease respawn time for squadmates (20 sec for Majoris/Extremis, 60 sec for Terminus)
• Majoris- and Extremis-level enemies have their incapacitated execution window reduced by 50%
• Gunstrikes deals 25.8% less damage
• Grenades deals 37.1% less damage

People wanting to remove cohesion just made the game have another Ruthless difficulty with some minor adjustments lol, and what do you gain? Nothing more of value

The difficulty bump from Average to Substantial is more than triple than that of Ruthless to Lethal now.

Source: datamined difficulty parameters

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Hati_ wrote:

So after Patch 4.1 the difference between Ruthless and Lethal is now:

• No changes to enemy stats
• More extremis enemies can spawn at the same time
  
• Max health is reduced by 20%
• Armour is reduced by 20%
• Time for armour to regen passively after taking damage is doubled
• Ammo Crates have 40% less ammo
• Respawn time is changed from 2 minutes to 5 minutes
• Killing Majors-level or higher enemies decrease respawn time for squadmates (20 sec for Majoris/Extremis, 60 sec for Terminus)
• Majoris- and Extremis-level enemies have their incapacitated execution window reduced by 50%
• Gunstrikes deals 25.8% less damage
• Grenades deals 37.1% less damage

People wanting to remove cohesion just made the game have another Ruthless difficulty with some minor adjustments lol, and what do you gain? Nothing more of value

The difficulty bump from Average to Substantial is more than triple than that of Ruthless to Lethal now.

Source: datamined difficulty parameters

Given that the rewards for lethal are totally the same as they are in ruthless, the jump should not be astronomical. It's clear you're one of these elitist types that just wants the game to lock everyone that's not (allegedly) you out, but I mean, you're free to make the game as hard as you want to, on yourself. Run lethal with artificer class weapons or below, reduce yourself to lv1 perks only, glue needles point side up to your thumb sticks or keyboard, do you. 

What you shouldn't be doing, is coming here to whine that by making the game more enjoyable to a larger base of people, the developers have somehow stolen something from you. Mo playas, mo money; mo money, mo content and sequels. Try gaming as a hobby, not an unpaid internship at "The academy of auto-flagellation for non erotic but still pleasurable purposes."

Vargyr wrote:

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I don't want to lock anyone out. Lethal wasn't made for everyone and you don't lose on any content except a pat on the back for clearing them all. You even say yourself the rewards are almost the same. The Tight Formation mechanic is what made Lethal unique and fun because it forced you to adapt to play a bit differently, but now it's just the same gameplay loop it has been since release. People have been working around difficult mechanics in games for decades and they still come on top. It's the challenge and creativity to solve them that makes it fun and rewarding. The only time they actually need to nerf something is when it's almost mathematically impossible. Saying I'm the one coming here whining is very ironic after what has happened the past week.

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Hati_ wrote:

Vargyr wrote:

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I don't want to lock anyone out. Lethal wasn't made for everyone and you don't lose on any content except a pat on the back for clearing them all. You even say yourself the rewards are almost the same. The Tight Formation mechanic is what made Lethal unique and fun because it forced you to adapt to play a bit differently, but now it's just the same gameplay loop it has been since release. People have been working around difficult mechanics in games for decades and they still come on top. It's the challenge and creativity to solve them that makes it fun and rewarding. The only time they actually need to nerf something is when it's almost mathematically impossible. Saying I'm the one coming here whining is very ironic after what has happened the past week.

Lethal was simply intended to be a step above ruthless. As it stands, I can pretty well carry a group through ruthless, lethal is a cluster f**k.

And you are whining, no matter how you cut it. "Over the last week?" You mean people (consumers) coming out here and everywhere else to tell Saber (the provider) that the changes they made to the game significantly damage the experience had by this dominant portion of their player base? You're in this extreme minority of people screaming "my negative experience isn't strong enough" and laughably getting high and mighty about it. 

Your post here is just ridiculous, there is an extreme, palpable difference between ruthless and lethal, making your argument founded on a bad faith premise, and you're complaining about people complaining to deflect from that. Just stop and enjoy the game instead of trying to turn it into something it shouldn't be.