Team Coherency rework

Agreed. The new coherency mechanic directly acts against class identity and how each class is meant to function to such an extent that it can potentially punish teams that are doing everything right.

100% agree. Such a poor way to implement difficulty. Get rid of the team cohesion mechanic altogether. Do they understand their own game? Assault jumps in to destroy, sniper stays back. It feels ANNOYING to stick together and not rewarding at all, the LAST thing you want to be feeling in a video game for entertainment. 

If you wanted to Lethal to stand out in difficulty and avoiding just buffing enemy hp and damage you could have just reduced everyone's armor pip by 1 or something. Not only is it frustrating for reasons above, but it makes you fight your teammates for executions. I should be supporting and collaborating with my team not taking their armor regens. 

The respawns not reviving squads at checkpoints anymore makes no sense too. Now you just have your team wait 5 minutes til they respawn. Lots of things in this game that don't respect the players time already and they just keep compounding. 

Cutting down ammo even further is such a poor decision too. Another thing that just feels annoying rather than tactical or rewarding.  

Such bad decisions man, you are ruining what I saw as a near perfect game. Please take the reviews seriously and REMOVE the squad cohesion mechanic! Or make it straight up positive buffs like normal armor behavior before the update, and maybe sticking close makes you take less damage and regen some ammo? That would make me want to try and stay close without it feeling forced or like I had to be close ALL the time. 

Absolutely agree. I don't have any gripe with other elements of this patch and I think more were necessary than not but adding a coherency mechanic where players are penalized for not maintaining a close proximity to each other is the wrong way of encouraging team coherency and actively harms the intended playstyles of a majority of the game's classes. I'd fully endorse your suggestion of a buff system to encourage it instead but I'd be completely fine if this idea were just scrapped altogether as well.

Made an account just to come here and support this. Teamwork and proximity are not the same thing, good teamwork involves different classes recognizing the situation, and using their traits to overcome the challenge at hand, which often means a sniper hanging back or disengaging from the horde: An assault diving in and disrupting a massive horde to disrupt and break up it's advance for ranged teammates. A bulwark stepping out of the line to create a chokepoint, a vanguard seeing a threat outside of the melee and grappling to engage. 

If the devs want to promote closer proximity to teammates for whatever reason, then so be it, but this is a poor implementation. As others have said positive buffs, such as a defensive aura/ minor damage boost, or the triggering of a unique perk for fighting closer together.

Agreed 1000%.  I listed my reasoning here:

https://old.reddit.com/r/Spacemarine/comments/1g5p5g1/on_lethal_difficulty_you_cant_regain_armour_when/lscqpb7/

Will y’all please stop making these BS changes handcuffing the power fantasies players like me have with Space Marines? You have made one of the toughest warriors of the Imperium into gibberish weaklings. 

We just want more enemy encounters like it’s the 40K Dynasty Warriors. Also stronger Bolts, and better integration of Dodge to Block weapons so we can finally use them. 

I want to uninstall the update on Xbox. The fun is gone

They need to just remove this crap seriously, who asked for this?

+1

Yeah the tether mechanic seems poorly thought out and I'd rather see it scrapped entirely than reworked. Just seems too difficult to try and rework an entire aspect of the game like this, and in the worst way.

Even though it's still early in the patch's lifecycle I believe that coherency as it is is just dull, sure if you're playing with 2 friends on vox it can be fun, but probably more of a chore than skillful and thoughtful gameplay that it was supposed to promote...

I have to agree, I hate what forces me to do as a Vanguard at the moment. The Game was great until patch 4.0. The game definitely needed a bump in difficulty since it was too easy but making me play hugging my teammates all the time just killed the game for me. As a vanguard, this just killed my will to take any initiative. No more jumping to the ranged mobs that are destroying us from far away, no more flanking, just play within a small box and pray that you can see anything other than pixels on your screen when things get crowded... The rest of the changes and buffs to the mobs were welcome, finally a challenge but I can't play it when the game forces me to position myself within 5 to 7 meters of my teammates when I am the only melee in the party. On top of it, in 1hour of gameplay today, the armor mechanic failed several times not detecting teammates next to me.

Make the player WANT to be near their team, not NEED to be near them. It clashes with the core design of the classes. Sniper and Heavy should be out far, Bulwark and Assault close... This is a core concept they designed around but then go directly against that with team proximity.

If you want to encourage closer together teams remove the armor mechanic entirely and just add passive buffs like regain more contested health, or gain an extra armor pip. 

You want games to be challenging but still feel fair and fun. Doom Eternals nightmare mode struck this balance perfectly IMO. Space Marine 2 was almost perfect, but ruined by this team coherency update. Now it feels harder but not in a challenging way I want to overcome, but an annoying way that doesn't feel fun, and that's the LAST thing you want from your game. They tried this with World War Z and nobody liked it!